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Presentation by Maxime Paillassa #49

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Presentation by Maxime Paillassa #49

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Robust detection of astronomical sources using convolutional neural networks

Speaker: Maxime Paillassa
Date: 29/04/2021
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Quick notes:

cnn for robust detection

Maxime Paillassa

  • astronomers usually work on catalogues
  • problems: deblending, nearby stars
  • robust: identify contaminants (image defects)
  • Context: Cosmic-DANCe (IMF of stars)
  • Heterogenous data, with proper motions...
  • Context2: Euclid
  • Huge data volume space/ground images (matching bc euclid photometry not enough for z-ph)
  • Sextractor++
  • current: several steps: bkg subtraction, matched filter, peaksearch/thresh/deblending
  • matched: correlation signal/pattern
  • optimal linear filter -> mas SNR
  • problems: sources have various scales, can overlap
  • matched filter detects one pattern at a time -> problems
  • use NN
  • huge amounts of data available
  • image -> semantic segmentation -> instance(-aware semantic) segmentation
  • Mask R-CNN: boxes, rescaling implies interpolations, no deblending, needs clear boundaries
  • multiscale footprint segmentation
  • brightest pixels, pixels above a fraction, compromise, configurable

Alexandre:

  • def is relative to max intensity, no relation to the noise?

Maxime:

  • yes, on noise-free, isolated sources (training) -> SkyMaker (Bertin 2006)

  • assign a scale to sources

  • galaxies (training): cosmo sims, stars SkyMaker

  • train images are contaminated to train robustness

Sam:

  • statistics over SX?
    Maxime:
  • Over test sets.

Bastien:

  • plan to compare ground/space telescope?
    Maxime:
  • Good point HST images as ground truth
    Bastien:
  • multiband detection? how to manage footprint different detection
    Alexandre:
  • as per definition, I think there wouldn't be much of a difference between filters

Axel:

  • what is the actual output: pos of peak? more?
    Maxime:
  • footprint map probability of pixel being part of detection
    Axel:
  • how to combine scales together?
    Maxime:
  • for now not much confusion. postprocessing
    Axel:
  • here, for example (slide 19): how do you plot the objects?
    Maxime:
  • combination of all scales
    Axel:
  • would we then not need masking?
    Maxime:
  • that's one of point of this, yes
    Sam:
  • how do you trust when it's sensitive to the detection
    Maxime:
  • this is tricky, more simulations to quantify
    Axel:
  • q related: more sources CNN, properties of that sources: are they low SNR? gain from deblending?
    Maxime:
  • cnn can really find fainter sources, apparently
    Alexandre:
  • what is sextractor here, because you can tune it in many ways
    Maxime:
  • this example, gaussian kernel (5x5), 1.5 x sigma, no hot/cold approach
    Alexandre/Maxime:
  • people will say that they can run sextractor better, the NN is not tunned.

Alexandre:

  • speed?
    Maxime:
  • 1mpixel/sec + preprocessing
    Sam:

  • important is if you can process your large area

Alexandre/Maxime:

  • train on noiseless, and then in noisy? Noiseless footprint, but training on noisy

Alexandre:

  • NN has to be trained on different noises?
    Maxime:
  • now maybe the range is not enough, but we could expand

Alexandre:

  • could compute completeness vs snr
  • it seems that footprints are smaller
  • Deblending? multiple scale approach is good, but also obj can have star forming regions...

Axel:

  • bkg: how sensitive if bkg is not well subtracted? can the network avoid bkg subtraction?
    Maxime:
  • i think it's necessary. i didn't include very bad bkg, but yes variable... it should be able to detect in this conditions.
  • the one that I use is same as sx.
    Axel:
  • last q: varying psf not smoothly, is that a problem, like, in coadds -> variation of the size of stars. would that be a problem to the CNN
    Maxime:
  • not tested, future simluation.

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