Problem selecting and adding sonos speakers to a group #2991
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Why do you say
I see the GUEST BR is the master for the other six? Edit: Also how are you grouping these? Are you doing it all through the player list or are you creating a sync group in the settings? |
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Yes, the guest bedroom somehow (and I don't really understand how) became the parent to the other 6. I'm sure I added them, but not sure why I would have picked guest bedroom. We don't usually have more than one stream at a time going so usually it starts with the Sonos sound bar and I add to that.
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…On Sep 30, 2024, 19:41, at 19:41, OzGav ***@***.***> wrote:
Why do you say
> Of course I don't know how that makes sense when the Master Bedroom
Pair is hosting the other 6
I see the GUEST BR is the master for the other six?
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Why don't you just ungroup them and start again? How are you grouping them, through the player list or are you creating a sync group in the settings? |
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Not sure what a sync list is. I'm setting them through the HA settings using the paper clip.
Why don't I ungroup and start again? Sure I could do that but it looks like a bug and I'm trying to help you find the condition which causes it. I don't think you should ever get in the position where a lone speaker is OFF, not paired with anything else, and then you try to add it to an existing playing group and you can't but instead get an error message.
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Why don't you just ungroup them and start again? How are you grouping
them, through the player list or are you creating a sync group in the
settings?
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Does it work if you try and add terrace instead of master bedroom pair? |
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Hang on what do you mean you are grouping them using the HA SETTINGS? |
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With MA you have three options to group players https://music-assistant.io/ui/#grouping-players |
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…On Sep 30, 2024, 22:38, at 22:38, OzGav ***@***.***> wrote:
Hang on what do you mean you are grouping them using the HA SETTINGS?
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I didn't know about group players. That sounds interesting. I will give it a try. Having said that I still think the inability to add a speaker to a group is a bug.
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With MA you have three options to group players
https://music-assistant.io/ui/#grouping-players
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OK so you are creating a SYNC GROUP initially which is method 2 in the docs. Then you are trying to group that using method 1. That is not supported. |
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I created the initial group with the speaker icon and paper clip. I tried to add the line speaker using the same method. I did not mix methods. You want this to be a user problem but it's not. I will drop it. You can close the thread.
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…On Sep 30, 2024, 23:11, at 23:11, OzGav ***@***.***> wrote:
OK so you are creating a SYNC GROUP initially which is method 2 in the
docs. Then you are trying to group that using method 1. That is not
supported.
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The problem here is you aren't using the correct terminology so that is why it is confusing. You said
You are now saying you are setting them via the Player List (and it is a chain icon). I can't see what you are doing I can only go on what you are saying. You also haven't answered the question as to whether this happens if you try and add the terrace? I am wondering if it is a problem with the "pair" which I assume is actually two physical devices which have been grouped somehow else. |
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Also what do you mean by this
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I am looking into all grouping/syncing related issues at the moment. I will test this one as well while at it and fix anything that pops up. Also I have noticed that the Sonos speakers themselves are flaky since all their recent updates. Speakers randomly dropping from the synced players etc. so that also doesn't help. |
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Have you tried using HomeAssistant Media Player as the provider? If you have the Sonos integration in HomeAssistant, you can choose the sonos speakers you want to add to MA. I've been able to do this on S1 devices across my house. The Sonos/Sonos S1 provider doesn't work for me due to vlan issues (and in general Sonos hates vlans). One thing to note is that you'll need to use queue flow mode to continuously play songs. This also has to be done across every sonos device (at this time). Settings > Players > Choose player > Generic Settings > Enable Queue Flow Mode I've had no issues grouping mine in MA with these settings. Although, YMMV. @OzGav Perhaps we could add something like this to the Sonos troubleshooting section of the site if this seems to be the fix? I'm happy to make an edit request, but I'm not too keen on Github. |
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@335iguy actually it is not a fix. Using HA players is a fallback when the native players do not exist. If there are bugs in the native players they need to be fixed. |
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I'm new to MA and have also struggled with player grouping. I find it to not be super intuitive and want to share a few thoughts since you're working on it @marcelveldt. Three grouping options: https://music-assistant.io/ui/#grouping-players
Anyway, I would consider just rewriting this page to clarify, simplify, then link to an alternate page with additional detail for power users. Something like this: Music Assistant gives users flexibility to play music to multiple speakers at the same time -- called "Player Grouping". This works even when the speakers are different types. There are three methods of Player Grouping:
To learn more about each of Music Assistant's Player Grouping options, including other benefits, click here . |
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Groups are being reworked and the docs will be updated accordingly when that is released |
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That’s good to hear! Thanks |
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Beta 30 has been released. Confirm this has been fixed |
I just installed it but seem to be having an issue. I typically play music with a Sync group (3 sonos speakers in total). After installing b30, I'm unable to play music with the Sync group (hitting play doesn't do anything). When I go into the sync group player settings, it correctly shows "Living Room" (this is 2x ERA100), but the other speaker (a Move2) shows an odd name ("RINCON"). Screenshot attached. Happy to provide logs. |
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Was the player available when MA started? Is living room a stereo pair? |
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Very nice the aesthetic changes to the speaker and volume functions.
Everything looks and works great, I can't comment on whether or not
something will glitch at some point or in some condition, but I will
let you know.
Harry
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Date: 2024-10-19 01:28:44 AM
Was the player available when MA started? Is living room a stereo pair?
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I also like the dropdown arrow so you see the group only or the individuals of you desire.
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…On Oct 19, 2024, 01:28, at 01:28, OzGav ***@***.***> wrote:
Was the player available when MA started? Is living room a stereo pair?
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Thanks. A fair bit of effort went into testing and refining this. If you are satisified your intial issue is resolved please close this |
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Really sweet. Picture attached.
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Looks like it wasn't available when MA started last time. Works now. Thanks - nice work on this! |
What version of Music Assistant has the issue?
2.3.ob28
What version of the Home Assistant Integration have you got installed?
2024.9.1
Have you tried everything in the Troubleshooting FAQ and reviewed the Open and Closed Issues and Discussions to resolve this yourself?
The problem
I don't understand the logic of adding speakers, and I find I'm often stuck, unable to create the grouping that I want. I've attached below five pictures as an example.
In the example, I have the Guest Bedroom plus 6. I try to add Master Bedroom Pair, but get the error shown in the picture labelled Error Message. The speaker does not add.
In the picture, the Master Bedroom pair, showing as playing, and shows it's paired with Guest Bedroom. Of course that's impossible, as the Guest Bedroom Pair is the host to the other 6 speakers. I can't imagine you could have two different groups with overlaping speakers.
I've tried re-booting Home Assistant. Tried reloading the Sonos speakers in the settings. I still can't add the Master Bedroom Pair to the Guest Bedroom Plus 6 group.
In picture 4, you see that when I expand the Master Bedroom Pair, it shows the terrace (not an issue for this example) and the Guest Bedroom are available to add to form a group. Just for fun, I tried adding the Guest Bedroom to the Master Bedroom Pair. Of course I don't know how that makes sense when the Master Bedroom Pair is hosting the other 6. When I do try, I get the error "Command failed".
I'm sure removing the Sonos speakers from MA and re-adding will solve the problem, but that's not a solution and I would have to set up the speakers again with areas and labels and re-create the helper speaker group each time.
How to reproduce
Hard to know how to reproduce because always using different speakers, starting with different devices etc.
Music Providers
Radio browser, Tidal, local NAS and TuneIn radio
Player Providers
Sonos
Full log output
Logfile.txt
Additional information
I'm happy to try and troubleshoot if you give me scenarios to see if it can be reproduced.
What version of Home Assistant Core are your running
2024.9.3
What type of installation are you running?
Home Assistant OS
On what type of hardware are you running?
Generic x86-64 (e.g. Intel NUC)
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