diff --git a/src/client.rs b/src/client.rs
index 1c412c7..513f0ec 100644
--- a/src/client.rs
+++ b/src/client.rs
@@ -28,8 +28,8 @@ pub type BoxStreamSync<'a, T> = Pin<Box<dyn Stream<Item = T> + Send + Sync + 'a>
 /// for the client DSL. `S` is the service type, `C` is the substream source.
 #[derive(Debug)]
 pub struct RpcClient<S, C, SInner = S> {
-    source: C,
-    map: Arc<dyn MapService<S, SInner>>,
+    pub(crate) source: C,
+    pub(crate) map: Arc<dyn MapService<S, SInner>>,
 }
 
 impl<S, C: Clone, SInner> Clone for RpcClient<S, C, SInner> {
@@ -405,7 +405,7 @@ impl<S: ConnectionErrors> error::Error for StreamingResponseItemError<S> {}
 
 /// Wrap a stream with an additional item that is kept alive until the stream is dropped
 #[pin_project]
-struct DeferDrop<S: Stream, X>(#[pin] S, X);
+pub(crate) struct DeferDrop<S: Stream, X>(#[pin] pub S, pub X);
 
 impl<S: Stream, X> Stream for DeferDrop<S, X> {
     type Item = S::Item;
diff --git a/src/lib.rs b/src/lib.rs
index 8c6464d..bc92ea3 100644
--- a/src/lib.rs
+++ b/src/lib.rs
@@ -104,6 +104,8 @@ pub use server::RpcServer;
 mod macros;
 mod map;
 
+pub mod pattern;
+
 /// Requirements for a RPC message
 ///
 /// Even when just using the mem transport, we require messages to be Serializable and Deserializable.
diff --git a/src/pattern/mod.rs b/src/pattern/mod.rs
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..5826152
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/pattern/mod.rs
@@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
+//!
+pub mod try_server_streaming;
diff --git a/src/pattern/try_server_streaming.rs b/src/pattern/try_server_streaming.rs
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..f2e9d52
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/pattern/try_server_streaming.rs
@@ -0,0 +1,214 @@
+//!
+use futures::{FutureExt, SinkExt, Stream, StreamExt, TryFutureExt};
+use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
+
+use crate::{
+    client::{BoxStreamSync, DeferDrop},
+    message::{InteractionPattern, Msg},
+    server::{race2, RpcChannel, RpcServerError},
+    transport::ConnectionErrors,
+    RpcClient, Service, ServiceConnection, ServiceEndpoint,
+};
+
+use std::{
+    error,
+    fmt::{self, Debug},
+    result,
+    sync::Arc,
+};
+
+///
+#[derive(Debug, Clone, Copy, Serialize, Deserialize)]
+pub struct StreamCreated;
+
+///
+#[derive(Debug, Clone, Copy)]
+pub struct TryServerStreaming;
+
+impl InteractionPattern for TryServerStreaming {}
+
+/// Same as [ServerStreamingMsg], but with lazy stream creation and the error type explicitly defined.
+pub trait TryServerStreamingMsg<S: Service>: Msg<S, Pattern = TryServerStreaming>
+where
+    std::result::Result<Self::Item, Self::ItemError>: Into<S::Res> + TryFrom<S::Res>,
+    std::result::Result<StreamCreated, Self::CreateError>: Into<S::Res> + TryFrom<S::Res>,
+{
+    /// Error when creating the stream
+    type CreateError: Debug + Send + 'static;
+
+    /// Error for stream items
+    type ItemError: Debug + Send + 'static;
+
+    /// The type for the response
+    ///
+    /// For requests that can produce errors, this can be set to [Result<T, E>](std::result::Result).
+    type Item: Send + 'static;
+}
+
+/// Server error when accepting a server streaming request
+///
+/// This combines network errors with application errors. Usually you don't
+/// care about the exact nature of the error, but if you want to handle
+/// application errors differently, you can match on this enum.
+#[derive(Debug)]
+pub enum Error<C: ConnectionErrors, E: Debug> {
+    /// Unable to open a substream at all
+    Open(C::OpenError),
+    /// Unable to send the request to the server
+    Send(C::SendError),
+    /// Error received when creating the stream
+    Recv(C::RecvError),
+    /// Connection was closed before receiving the first message
+    EarlyClose,
+    /// Unexpected response from the server
+    Downcast,
+    /// Application error
+    Application(E),
+}
+
+impl<S: ConnectionErrors, E: Debug> fmt::Display for Error<S, E> {
+    fn fmt(&self, f: &mut fmt::Formatter<'_>) -> fmt::Result {
+        fmt::Debug::fmt(self, f)
+    }
+}
+
+impl<S: ConnectionErrors, E: Debug> error::Error for Error<S, E> {}
+
+/// Client error when handling responses from a server streaming request
+#[derive(Debug)]
+pub enum ItemError<S: ConnectionErrors, E: Debug> {
+    /// Unable to receive the response from the server
+    Recv(S::RecvError),
+    /// Unexpected response from the server
+    Downcast,
+    /// Application error
+    Application(E),
+}
+
+impl<S: ConnectionErrors, E: Debug> fmt::Display for ItemError<S, E> {
+    fn fmt(&self, f: &mut fmt::Formatter<'_>) -> fmt::Result {
+        fmt::Debug::fmt(self, f)
+    }
+}
+
+impl<S: ConnectionErrors, E: Debug> error::Error for ItemError<S, E> {}
+
+impl<S, C, SInner> RpcChannel<S, C, SInner>
+where
+    S: Service,
+    C: ServiceEndpoint<S>,
+    SInner: Service,
+{
+    /// handle the message M using the given function on the target object
+    ///
+    /// If you want to support concurrent requests, you need to spawn this on a tokio task yourself.
+    ///
+    /// Compared to [RpcChannel::server_streaming], with this method the stream creation is via
+    /// a function that returns a future that resolves to a stream.
+    pub async fn try_server_streaming<M, F, Fut, Str, T>(
+        self,
+        req: M,
+        target: T,
+        f: F,
+    ) -> result::Result<(), RpcServerError<C>>
+    where
+        M: TryServerStreamingMsg<SInner>,
+        std::result::Result<M::Item, M::ItemError>: Into<SInner::Res> + TryFrom<SInner::Res>,
+        std::result::Result<StreamCreated, M::CreateError>:
+            Into<SInner::Res> + TryFrom<SInner::Res>,
+        F: FnOnce(T, M) -> Fut + Send + 'static,
+        Fut: futures::Future<Output = std::result::Result<Str, M::CreateError>> + Send + 'static,
+        Str: Stream<Item = std::result::Result<M::Item, M::ItemError>> + Send + 'static,
+        T: Send + 'static,
+    {
+        let Self {
+            mut send, mut recv, ..
+        } = self;
+        // cancel if we get an update, no matter what it is
+        let cancel = recv
+            .next()
+            .map(|_| RpcServerError::UnexpectedUpdateMessage::<C>);
+        // race the computation and the cancellation
+        race2(cancel.map(Err), async move {
+            // get the response
+            let responses = match f(target, req).await {
+                Ok(responses) => {
+                    // turn into a S::Res so we can send it
+                    let response = self.map.res_into_outer(Ok(StreamCreated).into());
+                    // send it and return the error if any
+                    send.send(response)
+                        .await
+                        .map_err(RpcServerError::SendError)?;
+                    responses
+                }
+                Err(cause) => {
+                    // turn into a S::Res so we can send it
+                    let response = self.map.res_into_outer(Err(cause).into());
+                    // send it and return the error if any
+                    send.send(response)
+                        .await
+                        .map_err(RpcServerError::SendError)?;
+                    return Ok(());
+                }
+            };
+            tokio::pin!(responses);
+            while let Some(response) = responses.next().await {
+                // turn into a S::Res so we can send it
+                let response = self.map.res_into_outer(response.into());
+                // send it and return the error if any
+                send.send(response)
+                    .await
+                    .map_err(RpcServerError::SendError)?;
+            }
+            Ok(())
+        })
+        .await
+    }
+}
+
+impl<S, C, SInner> RpcClient<S, C, SInner>
+where
+    S: Service,
+    C: ServiceConnection<S>,
+    SInner: Service,
+{
+    /// Bidi call to the server, request opens a stream, response is a stream
+    pub async fn try_server_streaming<M>(
+        &self,
+        msg: M,
+    ) -> result::Result<
+        BoxStreamSync<'static, Result<M::Item, ItemError<C, M::ItemError>>>,
+        Error<C, M::CreateError>,
+    >
+    where
+        M: TryServerStreamingMsg<SInner>,
+        Result<M::Item, M::ItemError>: Into<SInner::Res> + TryFrom<SInner::Res>,
+        Result<StreamCreated, M::CreateError>: Into<SInner::Res> + TryFrom<SInner::Res>,
+    {
+        let msg = self.map.req_into_outer(msg.into());
+        let (mut send, mut recv) = self.source.open_bi().await.map_err(Error::Open)?;
+        send.send(msg).map_err(Error::Send).await?;
+        let map = Arc::clone(&self.map);
+        let Some(initial) = recv.next().await else {
+            return Err(Error::EarlyClose);
+        };
+        let initial = initial.map_err(Error::Recv)?; // initial response
+        let initial = map
+            .res_try_into_inner(initial)
+            .map_err(|_| Error::Downcast)?;
+        let initial = <std::result::Result<StreamCreated, M::CreateError>>::try_from(initial)
+            .map_err(|_| Error::Downcast)?;
+        let _ = initial.map_err(Error::Application)?;
+        let recv = recv.map(move |x| {
+            let x = x.map_err(ItemError::Recv)?;
+            let x = map.res_try_into_inner(x).map_err(|_| ItemError::Downcast)?;
+            let x = <std::result::Result<M::Item, M::ItemError>>::try_from(x)
+                .map_err(|_| ItemError::Downcast)?;
+            let x = x.map_err(ItemError::Application)?;
+            Ok(x)
+        });
+        // keep send alive so the request on the server side does not get cancelled
+        let recv = Box::pin(DeferDrop(recv, send));
+        Ok(recv)
+    }
+}
diff --git a/src/server.rs b/src/server.rs
index d5be6aa..0b71b4e 100644
--- a/src/server.rs
+++ b/src/server.rs
@@ -68,7 +68,7 @@ pub struct RpcChannel<S: Service, C: ServiceEndpoint<S>, SInner: Service = S> {
     /// Stream to receive requests from the client.
     pub recv: C::RecvStream,
     /// Mapper to map between S and S2
-    map: Arc<dyn MapService<S, SInner>>,
+    pub map: Arc<dyn MapService<S, SInner>>,
 }
 
 impl<S, C> RpcChannel<S, C, S>
@@ -447,7 +447,7 @@ impl<T> Future for UnwrapToPending<T> {
     }
 }
 
-async fn race2<T, A: Future<Output = T>, B: Future<Output = T>>(f1: A, f2: B) -> T {
+pub(crate) async fn race2<T, A: Future<Output = T>, B: Future<Output = T>>(f1: A, f2: B) -> T {
     tokio::select! {
         x = f1 => x,
         x = f2 => x,
diff --git a/tests/try.rs b/tests/try.rs
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..be20774
--- /dev/null
+++ b/tests/try.rs
@@ -0,0 +1,103 @@
+#![cfg(feature = "flume-transport")]
+use derive_more::{From, TryInto};
+use futures::{Stream, StreamExt};
+use quic_rpc::{
+    message::Msg,
+    pattern::try_server_streaming::{StreamCreated, TryServerStreaming, TryServerStreamingMsg},
+    server::RpcServerError,
+    transport::flume,
+    RpcClient, RpcServer, Service,
+};
+use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
+
+#[derive(Debug, Clone)]
+struct TryService;
+
+impl Service for TryService {
+    type Req = TryRequest;
+    type Res = TryResponse;
+}
+
+#[derive(Debug, Serialize, Deserialize)]
+pub struct StreamN {
+    n: u64,
+}
+
+impl Msg<TryService> for StreamN {
+    type Pattern = TryServerStreaming;
+}
+
+impl TryServerStreamingMsg<TryService> for StreamN {
+    type Item = u64;
+    type ItemError = String;
+    type CreateError = String;
+}
+
+/// request enum
+#[derive(Debug, Serialize, Deserialize, From, TryInto)]
+pub enum TryRequest {
+    StreamN(StreamN),
+}
+
+#[derive(Debug, Serialize, Deserialize, From, TryInto, Clone)]
+pub enum TryResponse {
+    StreamN(std::result::Result<u64, String>),
+    StreamNError(std::result::Result<StreamCreated, String>),
+}
+
+#[derive(Clone)]
+struct Handler;
+
+impl Handler {
+    async fn try_stream_n(
+        self,
+        req: StreamN,
+    ) -> std::result::Result<impl Stream<Item = std::result::Result<u64, String>>, String> {
+        if req.n % 2 != 0 {
+            return Err("odd n not allowed".to_string());
+        }
+        let stream = async_stream::stream! {
+            for i in 0..req.n {
+                if i > 5 {
+                    yield Err("n too large".to_string());
+                    return;
+                }
+                yield Ok(i);
+            }
+        };
+        Ok(stream)
+    }
+}
+
+#[tokio::test]
+async fn try_server_streaming() -> anyhow::Result<()> {
+    tracing_subscriber::fmt::try_init().ok();
+    let (server, client) = flume::connection::<TryRequest, TryResponse>(1);
+
+    let server = RpcServer::<TryService, _>::new(server);
+    let server_handle = tokio::task::spawn(async move {
+        loop {
+            let (req, chan) = server.accept().await?;
+            let handler = Handler;
+            match req {
+                TryRequest::StreamN(req) => {
+                    chan.try_server_streaming(req, handler, Handler::try_stream_n)
+                        .await?;
+                }
+            }
+        }
+        #[allow(unreachable_code)]
+        Ok(())
+    });
+    let client = RpcClient::<TryService, _>::new(client);
+    let stream_n = client.try_server_streaming(StreamN { n: 10 }).await?;
+    let items: Vec<_> = stream_n.collect().await;
+    println!("{:?}", items);
+    drop(client);
+    // dropping the client will cause the server to terminate
+    match server_handle.await? {
+        Err(RpcServerError::Accept(_)) => {}
+        e => panic!("unexpected termination result {e:?}"),
+    }
+    Ok(())
+}