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"Count over time" vs "incidence rate" #102
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I think you are correct. Incidence does tend to imply a rate and I believe the correct term to describe what we are doing with this package would be 'incidents per dated events' instead of 'incidence of dated events' (which shows where the initial confusion may have taken place).
I think this could be a useful addition to the package, perhaps in a function called Thank you for bringing up this issue, @jakobschumacher. It's definitely important to make sure our terminology is correct as we move forward. |
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Yeah it's funny, and maybe a cultural thing to an extent - modellers tend
to use 'incidence' to refer to case counts, hence the original terminology.
I think the suggested addition makes sense. One tricky thing to handle is
how $popsize will look with population stratification. We probably need to
handle a matrix of integers matching $counts to allow different population
sizes in time and across groups, and an intuitive and easy way to populate
it when all or part of that info is available.
…On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 05:03 Zhian N. Kamvar ***@***.*** wrote:
I am not too sure, but I feel that the term incidence is used in a wrong
way in this package. The way I understand it, at the moment we measure
"counts over time" (e.g. 5 cases in week X). But incidence rate is usually
measured as count over time over population (e.g. 5 cases per 100
person-days).
I think you are correct. Incidence does tend to imply a rate and I believe
the correct term to describe what we are doing with this package would be
'incidents per dated events' instead of 'incidence of dated events' (which
shows where the initial confusion may have taken place).
So I feel we would somehow need to include a way to include the population
at risk into some functions. Maybe I am totally on the wrong track, please
don't hesitate to point out, if I am thinking in the wrong way.
I think this could be a useful addition to the package, perhaps in a
function called incidence_rate()? This would also require information
about the standing population size, which could be added as a new item in
the incidence object called $popsize, which would reflect the population
sizes of the groups in the object. For those that want to compute incidence
rate, this would be handy when sub-setting data, and for those who simply
want incident counts, the popsize can be left as NULL. What do you think?
Thank you for bringing up this issue, @jakobschumacher
<https://github.com/jakobschumacher>. It's definitely important to make
sure our terminology is correct as we move forward.
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Thanks for picking this up. In my "epidemiological" eyes, there are three levels of incidence.
From my perspective the best way would be to extend the incidence function. So to give users the possibility to add further information to the incidence object. If you just give the incidence object counts - than you can get only counts out (status quo). if you give it population data as well it can compute cumulative incidence as well. And if you also feed it with dates for each individual entering and leaving groups, than you can compute incidence rate. But I have to say for me this sounds very complicated to implement and to make it user-friendly as well. |
I am also confused with those terms, such as incidence vs. prevalence. Moreover, when we fit epidemic models, such as SIR, to epidemic curves, we also needs to be careful whether the epicurve is incidence (count or rate) or prevalence. I think if the incidence package could figure out a way to soundly tell those terms, it would make an easier life for the epidemiological community. As introduced in the wikipedia, when the population at risk varies with time, person-time incidence rate should be used. If I understand correctly, this is the third situation that @jakobschumacher discussed. |
I think there is a real different use of incidence which needs clarifying
in the package. I don't think incidence vs prevalence is that common, so
wouldn't put too much emphasis on this, though it could be mentioned in the
doc.
…On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 05:36 Jun Cai ***@***.*** wrote:
I am also confused with those terms, such as incidence vs. prevalence.
Moreover, when we fit epidemic models, such as SIR, to epidemic curves, we
also needs to be careful whether the epicurve is incidence (count or rate)
or prevalence. I think if the incidence package could figure out a way to
soundly tell those terms, it would make an easier life for the
epidemiological community.
As introduced in the wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidence_(epidemiology)>, when the
population at risk varies with time, person-time incidence rate should be
used. If I understand correctly, this is the third situation that
@jakobschumacher <https://github.com/jakobschumacher> discussed.
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There are indeed some definitions that dont include the denominator "population" but most definitions do (There is an overview here: https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/incidence). For me one credible source is the FEM-Wiki by the ECDC https://wiki.ecdc.europa.eu/fem/w/wiki/incidence-rate which includes a denominator |
As a bit of bookkeeping, Bertrand Sudre shares this concern with Jakob:
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agree with jakob - in fetp world there is a strict and clear difference between the two! |
I am not too sure, but I feel that the term incidence is used in a wrong way in this package. The way I understand it, at the moment we measure "counts over time" (e.g. 5 cases in week X). But incidence rate is usually measured as count over time over population (e.g. 5 cases per 100 person-days). See this page for a longer explanation. So I feel we would somehow need to include a way to include the population at risk into some functions. Maybe I am totally on the wrong track, please dont hesitate to point out, if I am thinking in the wrong way.
Example of a cohort with changing populations
One difficult example in my eyes would be a constantly changing population as in centers for foreigners (as the outbreak that Savina was working on).
Computing incidence rates for the above example
With the above simulated outbreak the incidences rates can be calculated like as shown below. This would best be done in a clever function...
Created on 2019-02-04 by the reprex package (v0.2.1)
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