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New Term - verbatimMeasurementType #518
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I like this proposal from my data curator perspective! This would be helpful to record original names of biological measurements which have evolved within regional or cultural groups and map well to BODC, but their original names are relevant and might be integral to the information as it was collected. |
Thank you so much Steve! We would like to support this proposal because we want to use a general vocabulary for certain measurements in Our current challengeAt this moment, we (the antarctic OBIS/GBIF node) are placing the verbatim under
Cleaner solution
We think that having This will help us so much as:
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Just updating to say that the OBIS community is doing a lot of discussion of this suggestion. We plan on discussing it more formally at the next OBIS Vocabulary meeting on Sept 18th and will update this issue with the conclusions. |
Hi everyone, I totally understand the need of having a place to store the verbatim MeasurementType. Up to this moment in EurOBIS we have been storing the verbatim data under the measurementType field as well, letting it being different to the "name" of the BODC term used. Please let me know if my understanding is correct, the proposal is to add the BODC term "name" of a concept exactly as it comes in BODC under the measurementType field. If I got that right and we expect data providers to add this extra value in their submissions, I think that it may suppose an extra amount of work to the data creator that actually belongs more to the data services creators. I see how it is more convenient for us data managers to have these 3 columns close to each other in a table for quality control and filtering data purposes but I wonder if it's really needed to have it at the data standard level. An alternative would be to let the data services (QC tools, data portals) get used to extract information from BODC just like they do with other vocabulary systems (e.g. WoRMS) in order to quality check and filter data. Sorry for playing the devil's advocate here, I just think that if we add the "name", what stop us from adding everything else? For example, the deprecated label is also quite relevant. My reasoning is that we should only add new terms to the standard in the case that there is some information that is not being/could not be captured otherwise. Cheers! |
Just adding a note to say that we had a good discussion on this yesterday but were not able to come to a conclusion. We will continue the discussion in October. Suffice to say there is no clear best way, but the conversation is helping us focus our thoughts on how the current situation is perceived by different OBIS contributors and users. |
An additional note to say that the OBIS vocabulary discussion group continues to explore this. We would like to keep it open, but don't see an immediate solution. Please feel free to continue to comment and discuss in this space if you have thoughts, especially outside of the OBIS needs. |
Of potential interest is the solution we are hoping to use in an evolution of Darwin Core based on work on the GBIF Unified Model. In a Darwin Core version 2 publishing model, MeasurementsOfFacts would be called Assertions. Assertions support an assertionType, which is where data that one might put into this verbatimMeasurementType would go. Formal vocabulary values could also go there, but would only be stood as values from a controlled vocabulary if that vocabulary was also referenced, in a term called assertionTypeVocabulary. In addition to these options, a term called assertionTypeIRI would support a controlled value term directly if that term had an IRI that could be resolved for its definition. The proposed Assertion class would look like this:
where most of that is probably straightforward, but assertionTargetType would declare what the Assertion was about ('Event', 'Occurrence', 'Material Entity', 'Media', 'Agent', 'Identification', .... - not just Event or Occurrence), and assertionTargetID would the the identifier for the record the Assertion is about (eventID, occurrenceID, materialEntityID, mediaID, agentID, identificationID, ...). |
@sformel-usgs Has the OBIS group had any further discussion on this proposal? There are very good arguments for the need for the term in previous comments. Do these still stand? Or are they in question? |
Thank you @rubenpp7 I completely agree with you with the extra work if that is the expectation. Please let me clarify, having extra field does not mean that you have to enforce that on your data providers. There are so many fields in Darwin Core standard and we do not expect everyone to use every field, would you agree? I believe the same logic applies here. To me, our data providers only ever provide verbatim measurement type and we data managers are the ones who map it to BODC vocab. It is an unfair expectation to our data provider who only publishes data once or twice during their entire PhD to know how all data standards, taxonomy databases and vocabulary structure works.
I think we are on the same page on this. Please let me express my thought on why it is important to have it at the data standard level: Having the field will encourage people to put the right information at the right place.In the past, there was no
Thanks to the new term Having the field in data standard will encourage data services to include the term IRI in the (download) fileFor example, aggregators can have the option to include this field with a persistent IRI to the term documentation in the download file (meta.xml in Darwin Core Archive) to the data users. It is exactly like you said
If the data services are already doing the work, I see the benefit of including this term in the download files that they can provide and that would means, including the persistent IRI to the term. This also present the information in a cleaner way to the users, letting them see the verbatim and the interpreted value and identifiers. I feel like we are thinking at the similar direction. I am not in the OBIS vocabulary team and I hope my comment clarifies the concern of intent and implementation. Any support from OBIS vocabulary team and the Darwin Core community for this term will be much appreciated. Thanks a lot! |
New term
Submitter: Stephen Formel
Efficacy Justification (why is this term necessary?):
Demand Justification (name at least two organizations that independently need this term):
Stability Justification (what concerns are there that this might affect existing implementations?): None.
Implications for dwciri: namespace (does this change affect a dwciri term version)?: None
Proposed attributes of the new term:
verbatimMeasurementType
Verbatim Measurement Type
MeasurementOrFact
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