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Request to change Sea-ice Elevation (code 402) to Sea-ice Freeboard, name, definition and units #571

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jeffrkey opened this issue Jan 19, 2025 · 3 comments
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jeffrkey commented Jan 19, 2025

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This request is to change the name, definition, and units of the variable Sea-ice elevation (code 402). While the elevation of sea ice is measured by laser altimeters (airborne or space-based), it is not directly measured by radar altimeters and it is not measured at all in situ. It is proposed here to instead use Sea-ice freeboard as the variable of interest. It is measured in situ directly, and can be estimate by both laser and radar altimeters. Furthermore, it is more relevant in thermodynamic and dynamic applications.

Current name: Sea-ice elevation
Proposed name: Sea-ice freeboard
Current definition: Elevation of the surface of the sea-ice sheet above sea level
Proposed definition: Elevation of the upper sea-ice surface relative to the sea surface
Current units, Measuring and Uncertainy: cm, Horizontal: km, Stability: cm (per decade)
Current units, Measuring and Uncertainy: m, Horizontal: m, Stability: m (per decade)

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The proposed update of the existing variable is as follows:

notation name definition
402 Sea-ice freeboard Elevation (aka, vertical distance) of the top of the sea-ice relative to the sea surface

All units required already exist and no further change is needed.

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Group: Global Cryosphere Watch (GCW)
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National and international ice services, e.g., US National Ice Center, North American Ice Service, Norwegian Ice Service; scientific community for remote sensing validation, meteorological/climatological and modeling applications

Applications or Systems

  • OSCAR/Surface
  • OSCAR/requirements
  • Radar/DB
  • OceanOPS
  • WHOS
  • WDQMS
  • GBON Compliance Monitor
  • Other

Expected impact of change

LOW

Collaborators

GCW Sea Ice Best Practices team; GCW Cryosphere and Polar Observations (CRYORA) team
Belén Martín Míguez, Ocean Earth System Category (ESAC)

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Manual on Codes (WMO-No. 306), Volume I.3, WMO Codes Registry - WMDR

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@jeffrkey jeffrkey changed the title Proposal to change Sea-ice Elevation to Sea-ice Freeboard (code 402), name, definition and units Request to change Sea-ice Elevation to Sea-ice Freeboard (code 402), name, definition and units Jan 19, 2025
@jeffrkey jeffrkey changed the title Request to change Sea-ice Elevation to Sea-ice Freeboard (code 402), name, definition and units Request to change Sea-ice Elevation (code 402) to Sea-ice Freeboard, name, definition and units Jan 19, 2025
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A slightly different definition is proposed, in the hope that it may be more understandable than the original wording.

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mohntorte commented Feb 14, 2025

Stefan Kern:
There is an amendment of our proposed definition of
"Elevation of the upper sea-ice surface relative to the sea surface"
towards:
"Elevation (aka, vertical distance) of the top of the sea-ice relative to the sea surface"

I am not sure whether "upper sea-ice surface" and "top of the sea ice" go hand in hand. If we accept this amendment we might need to re-think our definition for sea-ice thickness where we also use "upper sea-ice surface". We should be consistent here.

Adding "(aka, vertical distance)" sounds reasonable at the first place. However, a sea-ice freeboard can be negative. I am not entirely sure whether it is similarly common to speak about a "negative distance" compared to a "negative elevation". I am inclined to say that elevation is more clear (or clear enough) and should perhaps be mixed with a vertical distance. I note that we use "vertical distance" for sea-ice thickness, a quantity that is equal or larger than zero but never negative.

Not sure whether it would make sense to list me as one of the requestors?

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TomLav commented Feb 18, 2025

Dear @jeffrkey, dear @mohntorte, I would vote for the definition proposed originally for this quantity:

Elevation of the upper sea-ice surface relative to the sea surface

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