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<td class="left">Ott, et al.</td>
<td class="center">Expires 30 November 2024</td>
<td class="center">Expires 1 December 2024</td>
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<dd class="internet-draft">draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-over-quic-latest</dd>
<dt class="label-published">Published:</dt>
<dd class="published">
<time datetime="2024-05-29" class="published">29 May 2024</time>
<time datetime="2024-05-30" class="published">30 May 2024</time>
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<dt class="label-intended-status">Intended Status:</dt>
<dd class="intended-status">Experimental</dd>
<dt class="label-expires">Expires:</dt>
<dd class="expires"><time datetime="2024-11-30">30 November 2024</time></dd>
<dd class="expires"><time datetime="2024-12-01">1 December 2024</time></dd>
<dt class="label-authors">Authors:</dt>
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time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference
material or to cite them other than as "work in progress."<a href="#section-boilerplate.1-3" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
<p id="section-boilerplate.1-4">
This Internet-Draft will expire on 30 November 2024.<a href="#section-boilerplate.1-4" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
This Internet-Draft will expire on 1 December 2024.<a href="#section-boilerplate.1-4" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</section>
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<p id="section-13.1-1">Possible directions would include<a href="#section-13.1-1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
<ul class="normal">
<li class="normal" id="section-13.1-2.1">
<p id="section-13.1-2.1.1">More guidance on transport for RTCP (for example, when to use QUIC streams vs. DATAGRAMs).<a href="#section-13.1-2.1.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
<p id="section-13.1-2.1.1">More guidance on transport for RTCP (for example, when to use QUIC streams vs. DATAGRAMs) including guidance on prioritization between streams and DATAGRAMs for the performance of RTCP.<a href="#section-13.1-2.1.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
<li class="normal" id="section-13.1-2.2">
<p id="section-13.1-2.2.1">More guidance on the use of real-time-friendly congestion control algorithms (for example, Copa <span>[<a href="#Copa" class="cite xref">Copa</a>]</span>, L4S <span>[<a href="#RFC9330" class="cite xref">RFC9330</a>]</span>, etc.).<a href="#section-13.1-2.2.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
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</li>
<li class="normal" id="section-13.1-2.4">
<p id="section-13.1-2.4.1">Possible guidance for connection sharing between real-time and non-real-time flows, including considerations for congestion control and rate adaptation, scheduling, prioritization, and which ALPNs to use.<a href="#section-13.1-2.4.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
<li class="normal" id="section-13.1-2.5">
<p id="section-13.1-2.5.1">Investigation of the effects of delaying or dropping DATAGRAMs due to congestion before they can be transmitted by the QUIC stack.<a href="#section-13.1-2.5.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
<li class="normal" id="section-13.1-2.6">
<p id="section-13.1-2.6.1">Implementation of translating middleboxes for translating between RoQ and RTP over UDP. As described in <a href="#topologies" class="auto internal xref">Section 3.3</a>, RoQ can be used to connect to some RTP middleboxes using some topologies, and these middleboxes might be connecting RoQ endpoints and non-RoQ endpoints, so will need to translate between RoQ and RTP over UDP.<a href="#section-13.1-2.6.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p id="section-13.1-3">For these reasons, publication of this document as a stable reference for implementers to test with, and report results, seems useful.<a href="#section-13.1-3" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
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<dt id="section-14.1-3.5">Implementation Experience:</dt>
<dd style="margin-left: 1.5em" id="section-14.1-3.6">
<p id="section-14.1-3.6.1">The implementer reports they have no experience with the following:<a href="#section-14.1-3.6.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
<p id="section-14.1-3.6.1">The implementer reports they have no experience with the topics discussed in
<a href="#futures" class="auto internal xref">Section 13</a>.<a href="#section-14.1-3.6.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</dd>
<dd class="break"></dd>
</dl>
<ul class="normal">
<li class="normal" id="section-14.1-4.1">
<p id="section-14.1-4.1.1">Using RoQ with QUIC connections during path changes, whether due to QUIC
connection migration or use of the Multipath Extension for QUIC. As described
in <a href="#futures-new-ext" class="auto internal xref">Section 13.2</a>, we expect future work on this topic.<a href="#section-14.1-4.1.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
<li class="normal" id="section-14.1-4.2">
<p id="section-14.1-4.2.1">Influence of default priorities of QUIC implementations between streams and
DATAGRAMs on the performance of RTCP. As described in <a href="#futures-impl-deploy" class="auto internal xref">Section 13.1</a>,
we expect future work on this topic.<a href="#section-14.1-4.2.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
<li class="normal" id="section-14.1-4.3">
<p id="section-14.1-4.3.1">DATAGRAMs that are queued (and thus delayed) or dropped on expiration before
being transmitted due to congestion. As described in <a href="#futures-impl-deploy" class="auto internal xref">Section 13.1</a>,
we expect future work on this topic.<a href="#section-14.1-4.3.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
<li class="normal" id="section-14.1-4.4">
<p id="section-14.1-4.4.1">Translating between RoQ and RTP over UDP. As described in <a href="#topologies" class="auto internal xref">Section 3.3</a>, RoQ
can be used to connect to some RTP middleboxes using some topologies, and
these middleboxes might be connecting RoQ endpoints and non-RoQ endpoints, so
will need to translate between RoQ and RTP over UDP.<a href="#section-14.1-4.4.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
<li class="normal" id="section-14.1-4.5">
<p id="section-14.1-4.5.1">Performance impacts of multiplexing many RTP sessions on a single QUIC
connection. As described in <a href="#futures-impl-deploy" class="auto internal xref">Section 13.1</a>, we expect future work on
this topic.<a href="#section-14.1-4.5.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<span class="break"></span><dl class="dlParallel" id="section-14.1-5">
<dt id="section-14.1-5.1">Contact Information:</dt>
<dd style="margin-left: 1.5em" id="section-14.1-5.2">
<p id="section-14.1-5.2.1">Mathis Engelbart ([email protected])<a href="#section-14.1-5.2.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
<dd class="break"></dd>
<dt id="section-14.1-3.7">Contact Information:</dt>
<dd style="margin-left: 1.5em" id="section-14.1-3.8">
<p id="section-14.1-3.8.1">Mathis Engelbart ([email protected])<a href="#section-14.1-3.8.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
</dd>
<dd class="break"></dd>
<dt id="section-14.1-5.3">Last Updated:</dt>
<dd style="margin-left: 1.5em" id="section-14.1-5.4">
<p id="section-14.1-5.4.1">25 May 2024<a href="#section-14.1-5.4.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
<dt id="section-14.1-3.9">Last Updated:</dt>
<dd style="margin-left: 1.5em" id="section-14.1-3.10">
<p id="section-14.1-3.10.1">25 May 2024<a href="#section-14.1-3.10.1" class="pilcrow"></a></p>
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Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance J. Ott
Internet-Draft M. Engelbart
Intended status: Experimental Technical University Munich
Expires: 30 November 2024 S. Dawkins
Expires: 1 December 2024 S. Dawkins
Tencent America LLC
29 May 2024
30 May 2024


RTP over QUIC (RoQ)
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time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference
material or to cite them other than as "work in progress."

This Internet-Draft will expire on 30 November 2024.
This Internet-Draft will expire on 1 December 2024.

Copyright Notice

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Possible directions would include

* More guidance on transport for RTCP (for example, when to use QUIC
streams vs. DATAGRAMs).
streams vs. DATAGRAMs) including guidance on prioritization
between streams and DATAGRAMs for the performance of RTCP.

* More guidance on the use of real-time-friendly congestion control
algorithms (for example, Copa [Copa], L4S [RFC9330], etc.).
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control and rate adaptation, scheduling, prioritization, and which
ALPNs to use.

* Investigation of the effects of delaying or dropping DATAGRAMs due
to congestion before they can be transmitted by the QUIC stack.

* Implementation of translating middleboxes for translating between
RoQ and RTP over UDP. As described in Section 3.3, RoQ can be
used to connect to some RTP middleboxes using some topologies, and
these middleboxes might be connecting RoQ endpoints and non-RoQ
endpoints, so will need to translate between RoQ and RTP over UDP.

For these reasons, publication of this document as a stable reference
for implementers to test with, and report results, seems useful.

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Licensing: MIT License

Implementation Experience: The implementer reports they have no
experience with the following:

* Using RoQ with QUIC connections during path changes, whether due
to QUIC connection migration or use of the Multipath Extension for
QUIC. As described in Section 13.2, we expect future work on this
topic.

* Influence of default priorities of QUIC implementations between
streams and DATAGRAMs on the performance of RTCP. As described in
Section 13.1, we expect future work on this topic.

* DATAGRAMs that are queued (and thus delayed) or dropped on
expiration before being transmitted due to congestion. As
described in Section 13.1, we expect future work on this topic.

* Translating between RoQ and RTP over UDP. As described in
Section 3.3, RoQ can be used to connect to some RTP middleboxes
using some topologies, and these middleboxes might be connecting
RoQ endpoints and non-RoQ endpoints, so will need to translate
between RoQ and RTP over UDP.

* Performance impacts of multiplexing many RTP sessions on a single
QUIC connection. As described in Section 13.1, we expect future
work on this topic.
experience with the topics discussed in Section 13.

Contact Information: Mathis Engelbart ([email protected])

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