Adding different sizes for wooden wheel variants, and wooden casters set

[Leha44581]

Summary

Content "Added a set of wooden caster wheels, as a crude replacement to shopping cart caster wheels Also adds 8 inch, 12 inch, 16 inch wooden wheels"

Purpose of change

I think the player should be able to make more than just one size of wooden wheels

Describe the solution

Edited some jsons to add the new recipes/items/vehicleparts

Testing

The recipes seem to work fine, i have successfully repaired one shopping cart

Additional context

Wooden caster wheels are very much a real thing, and are often sold as "antique"

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[moxian]

The image you attach in the OP does not depict wooden casters - they are pretty clearly metallic, although the lightning makes it a bit ambiguous. Here's another shot of the same antique piece (from https://www.ironanarchy.com/furniture-casters/p/antique-furniture-stem-casters-double-wheel-3sj5j)

From the same website, another set of casters, these ones are wooden but are definitely still in a metal frame: https://www.ironanarchy.com/furniture-casters/p/antique-swivel-furniture-casters-fkz57

Even assuming the housing was wooden, it looks a bit bigger than a 2x4 plank so can't be exactly carved out of it? I think? Also why does that recipe need a HAMMER quality?

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Completely completely separately

I think the player should be able to make more than just one size of wooden wheels

Do you any of these different-sized wheels (aside from casters which are a different topic) be ever used?
As a player myself I would either 1) be confused about why do we have so many different sizes 2) wonder which size i need and 3) either choose the size that's "most optimal" (surely there's a most optimal one?) or 4) choose one completely at random. But in either case this choice feels pretty unsatisfying.
I could perhaps be fine with the different sized wooden if those were found items, where I don't have much of a choice and I'm just using whatever I have (and i don't care!), until i have something better (like what happens with half-wrecked cars and their parts). But this approach does not quite work when the player is forced to make the choice from the start.

[Leha44581]

That is true, but i don't think a crude wooden housing would be very difficult to make
On the topic of size, i imagined them to look something like this but bigger, just with a wooden housing, which you definitely can carve out of a 2x4, assuming the wheel is about an inch thick

About other wheels, i find the 20" option currently available in game to just not be very fitting for usecases besides a typical cart
16" Wheels can be used as a very crude car wheel replacement in a pinch, you also can make something like a wheelbarrow or a pull wagon which i just think is neat

Details

As far as optimization goes, they all have the same rolling resistance, so they're all pretty bad regardless of size

Hammer quality is valid, i will remove that requirement

[GuardianDll]

([slow] [.],starting_items)=> (continued from above) ERROR : src/assign.cpp:19 [void report_strict_violation(const JsonObject &, const std::string &, const std::string_view)] (json-error)
Error: ([slow] [.],starting_items)=> cannot assign explicit value the same as default or inherited value

"difficulty": 4,
"time": "4 h",
"reversible": false,
            ▲▲▲
"autolearn": true,
"proficiencies": [ { "proficiency": "prof_carpentry_basic" } ],

Error: ([slow] [.],starting_items)=> Must use denomination for pricing. Valid units are:
cents
cent
dollars
dollar
USD
kUSD

"volume": "1500 ml",
"longest_side": "110 mm",
"price": 20000,
       ▲▲▲
"price_postapoc": 50,
"to_hit": -1,

tldr: remove "reversible": false,, and replace price and price_postapoc with a proper syntax

[moxian]

That is true, but i don't think a crude wooden housing would be very difficult to make
On the topic of size, i imagined them to look something like this but bigger, just with a wooden housing, which you definitely can carve out of a 2x4, assuming the wheel is about an inch thick

Being an inch thick helps (so 1" x 4") helps, yes.
Tbh I'm not super comfortable with either of the 2x4 housing orientation relative to the wheel. We either have the housing be sub 0.5"-thick on each side, OR we have the the bolt go within ~0.5" of the edge. These sizes work totally fine for wood housing, but I just don't quite trust wood to withstand that. See the crude pic, either the lenght A or the length B is a bit too short for comfort (not to scale)

But I guess, I can be convinced that it's fine, so consider this resolved.

However there's another issue I realize - we can't actually make the hole for the bolt with a wooden saw+sandpaper. We probably need a drilling tool in the mix.

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About other wheels, i find the 20" option currently available in game to just not be very fitting for usecases besides a typical cart

That's valid!
But then do we really need six new wheel variants (three sizes × metal band on/off)? Can we have just one? I think both wheelbarrow and pull wagon would work just fine with 16"? And as it stands, there's pretty much no reason not to add metal bands, so the unbanded recipes would, again, go completely unused, which is a bad thing IMO.

[GuardianDll]

[
  "wheel_wood_16i",
  "wheel_wood_12i",
  "wheel_wood_caster"
]
The item(s) above use legacy to_hit, please change them to the newer object
method (see /docs/design-balance-lore/GAME_BALANCE.md#to-hit-value) or remove
the to_hit field if the item(s) aren't intended to be used as weapons."

(~[slow] ~[.],starting_items)=>   CHECK( item_density( target ) <= max_density )
(~[slow] ~[.],starting_items)=> with expansion:
Error: (~[slow] ~[.],starting_items)=>   1.0f <= 0.85f
(~[slow] ~[.],starting_items)=> with messages:
(~[slow] ~[.],starting_items)=>   target.typeId() := string_id( "wheel_wood_caster" )
(~[slow] ~[.],starting_items)=>   target.weight() := 1500000mg
(~[slow] ~[.],starting_items)=>   target.volume() := 1500ml

[Maddremor]

Have you ever wondered why old fashioned wagon wheels are so large compared to the smaller wheels we have on cars? It's because the smaller the wheel, the faster it needs to rotate for a given speed, and this is a problem when you don't have any fancy modern bearings to help you. A smaller wooden wheel might be reasonable, but I wouldn't put it on something like a caster since that would add mechanical complexity. A fixed wheel like that of a wheelbarrow can work for most circumstances.

If you really want to add something small-ish to make a primitive hand cart easier to drag around, then a sled runner of some kind would be the way to go, but for that we need to add flags or properties that keeps it from being used for steering or propulsion.